Thursday, February 12, 2009

Elections DO Have Consequences

I'm having a bout of low-level concern about the health of our Republic. No, not because of the economic crisis; we'll deal with that. My angst springs from a simple, stark realization: that our President (and the last one, and the one before that....) was largely selected by a group of people who do not have a clue about politics or government, and who vote based on emotional factors not in any way connected to objective quality evidence.

Democrats overwhelmingly voted for President Obama, and it is as it should be. People who identify with the Democratic Party have a bundle of political beliefs that were more closely aligned with what Candidate Obama was saying than what Candidate McCain was saying. Republicans voted primarily for McCain (though far more crossed over to Obama than the other way around). This is as it should be. Republicans have a bundle of political beliefs that were more closely aligned with what Candidate McCain was saying.

These people do not concern me. If you have a party identification, you have at least gone through a step or two of basic citizenship and civics to arrive at a nascent political philosophy that arms you when you step into the ballot box.

The people who concern me are those who do not have party affiliations. Not all of them mind you, just a certain subset. That subset consists of those people (and we all know them) who disavow the modern political parties, who claim that the parties are "...(all) alike..." and that "...there's no difference...". "I vote for the person, not for the party" is another of the favorite lines of these mooring-less lemmings, swayed by an easy smile, a clever phrase, or a homespun accent. My friends, these are the people who elect our Presidents (and every other office, for that matter). They elect our Presidents because it is to these voters that our national candidates largely appeal, as the support of their base is, if not assumed, at least less ardently courted.

But elections DO have consequences; long-lasting, important, tectonic consequences. Were it not for George Bush's two victories, we would not have two young-ish conservative men sitting on the Supreme Court for decades to come--stemming the tide against judicial activism and legislation from the bench. Does anyone really think a Republican President (or a Republican Congress for that matter) would have come up with the monstrosity of a bill that is now sure to pass Congress to "stimulate" our Democratic Party--whoops---I mean our economy? I can already hear my persistent Democratic friends; "no Bryan, Republicans wouldn't have passed it--they only led us into the mess we're in". A fair charge, to a point, except when one realizes that where we are is largely a result of Democratic policy and legislative changes designed to ensure that their constituents were able to "own a home" and "participate in the American dream". Strong arming the mortgage industry into making bad loans by hinting that their policies are racist was not a Republican agenda item.

When George Bush acted in a crisis and pushed forward a $700B emergency measure---it was designed to save a financial industry that was teetering on the edge of disaster. Half of that money was applied and many financial industry observers indicate that it has stabilized things. I imagine the other half of that money--if wisely used by Secretary Geithner--will do the same. It was not a bill larded with candy designed to payoff Republican supporters...hell, the financial industry titans are at least as likely to vote Democrat as they are Republican, if you track their political contributions.

In his first at bat, President Obama acted like the Chicago machine pol that he is, putting forward a bill that should in fact, stimulate the economy, but only partially, as 35-40% of the bill is simple political payoff to his friends in the labor unions, the teachers unions, the environmental lobby and the community activist crowd. Under the banner of "emergency" legislation, all manner of Democratic policy goals will be advanced and the country will continue its slow trip down the Road to Serfdom.

The parties are no different? Nonsense. They are fundamentally different, they view the role of government differently, they view the virtue of the electorate differently and they view role of the courts differently. To my Democratic friends who disagree with me on the issues I say bully for you--I disagree with your political philosophy but at least you have one. To the voters who have no political philosophy but who vote anyway for the man or woman who makes them feel better about themselves, or who has a flashier smile, or who had a more interesting childhood, I say please stay home the next time we vote for a President.

16 comments:

TDP said...

They sure do. Henrietta Hughes just got a house.

quirsm said...

Hughes says she was not able to vote on election day because she does not have an address. She said without a vote, she prayed that Mr. Obama would win. "I said, 'Lord please have mercy on Mr. Obama." and the Lord did so.'"

I'm guessing the Lord didn't like McCain?

Anonymous said...

Remember it was a perfect storm that brought about the housing disaster. You cite one half of the storm; the DEMs pushing for house ownership. The other half was Republican deregulation and the emasculation of the SEC.... bottom-line both parties are guilty.

Recall that the two part system has morphed and changed over 200 years, although we've largely maintained 2 parties... perhaps when the need arises a third way will truly develop. Then I suspect one of the current parties will eventually self destruct. How bout them Whigs!

You condemn the choice of the flashier candidate -- How do you think Mr. Reagan was selected? Granted his credentials are often unfairly maligned. However, I return to my theory that he is guilty of propelling this country into an enormous debt, damn everyone else attitude, self- centered state of personal and national consumption and excess; This too is his legacy, for he was a key accelerant for the state we are in today. JPH

TDP said...

Don't forget Joe, Ronald Reagan is also responsible for Henrietta Hughes not having a house.

You conveniently leave out the other component of the perfect storm, the consumer who was too stupid to do the math ( but was allowed under our system to vote... and vote for Obama they did) and realize that they couldn't afford the crib. But then, you people don't put too much stock in personal responsibilty, do you?

Come to think of it, I was homeless 10 years ago when we sold our home in Texas and our home in Virginia was not yet finished.

Who do I blame???

Anonymous said...

I didn't "conveniently" leave out the consumer. That would mean I was maliciously trying to sway the discussion. Mine was an oversight and I appreciate you adding that aspect to the storm. I'm sure there are numerous other variables that we both left out. With that said, it's important to realize well over 90% of the buyers did the right thing and i assume the same goes for the lenders.

I agree, people who can't afford something should be precluded from purchasing items beyond their means. (Frankly I wish both parties would come to this conclusion) How do we ensure people live within their own means when our government leads by the poorest example? I don't know. We expect lenders to make prudent and sound fiscal decisions, which in a open and transparent capitalist system should be in their best interests. However, greed not only engulfs the people you call stupid but those at the top of the economic food chain that cashed in on "surf's" collective ignorance.

Obviously some folks didn't follow the rules and our government has to step in and bail US out (not me, or I suspect you, but our national economy - perhaps global); Yes, the same bloated government that failed to provide adequate oversight is now responsible with fixing the mess. However, I don't attached this current state of affairs to any one party or ideology... rather both parties share equally in the responsibility. I simply feel Mr. Reagan was key to pushing us and Ms Hughes towards our current state of profligacy.

I don't agree with your comment "But then, you people don't put too much stock in personal responsibilty, do you?" wow, for someone who I don't think knows me, you are making a very incorrect assumption about my beliefs.

Anonymous said...

serf. just throwing that out there. I would no sooner let a stranger walk around with a booger dangling.

Anonymous said...

How is it Henrietta Hughes, who lives in a car, got cleaned up enough to come to a campaign rally (or was even cognizant of said rally)? Since she was homeless, shouldn't she have been looking for work or going through dumpsters or something? I'm not knocking homeless people, but...

Anonymous said...

The people who decided this election I wouldn't trust to mow my lawn. You know, the People magazine crowd. They vote for a candidate because on Entertainment Tonight some airhead said Obama was just wonderful or some rock star said he's cool. Breitbart (sp?) said, and I agree, this election was lost in popular culture.
And to respond to anonymous bringing up that old canard about Reagan doubling the debt. Listen carefully, Reagan took an economy that was on it's ass and by lowering taxed DOUBLED revenue to the federal government. The Democrats in Congress spent the money. I'm not saying Reagan was blameless but you may recall he tried to shut down the government over the budget and was excoriated by media as a result. Reagan spent the money on defense and broke the back of the Soviet Union. Bill Clinton reaped the rewards. Jim Wright and Tip O'Neal are the guys you're looking for. They spent the money on the kind of crap Obama wants to spend it on.

Bill Collins said...

"That subset consists of those people (and we all know them) who disavow the modern political parties, who claim that the parties are "...(all) alike..." and that "...there's no difference...". "I vote for the person, not for the party" is another of the favorite lines of these mooring-less lemmings, swayed by an easy smile, a clever phrase, or a homespun accent."

That is a pretty broad brush. How about the lemmings that will vote for a candidate precisely because of the party, regardless of all other data?

I thought former Virginia Senator Allen used a poor choice of words with the young videographer but was a much better Senatorial candidate than Sen. Webb. 2 years later given the choice between former Govenor Warner and Gilmore I could not with any good faith vote for the Republican Candidate. Gilmore is the classic "just cut taxes" Republican but demonstrated in office no grasp of what that means when governing.

The results of the Virginia Senatorial election showed that a lot of Republicans voted across party lines. You can't call them all lemmings.

All the best,
Bill Collins

Anonymous said...

"And to respond to anonymous bringing up that old canard about Reagan doubling the debt" I request you look at CW's blog and the banter from 4 JAN....i think your assertion is pretty well reputed there. The charge i am leveling here is Reagan's culpability towards pushing the nation towards excess and consumption beyond our means.

I fully believe we get more Gov't then we pay for... please note i didn't say we get quality Gov't. Specifically $12 Trillion and counting and if you want to include the unfunded future requirements its $56 Trillion. LBJ pulled a little accounting switch when he took unfunded requirements out of the annual budget.... Yup, he was a DEM. Both parties are guilty. JPH

The Conservative Wahoo said...

Couple of things to respond to on what has turned out to be a pretty enjoyable thread. Thanks to all who played.


JPH--"You condemn the choice of the flashier candidate -- How do you think Mr. Reagan was selected?" Two-time governor of California, next to Goldwater, the most famous conservative politician in America. Yes he was also more eloquent and more upbeat, but there was a lot of there, there.

TDP--"But then, you people don't put too much stock in personal responsibilty, do you?"--Uncalled for, below the belt, unworthy.

Bill Collins--I appreciate the civil tone of your post, but please try and stick to what I actually wrote. To wit: "How about the lemmings that will vote for a candidate precisely because of the party, regardless of all other data?"--Not my favorite people, but certainly preferable to those who vote based on smile, how they make me (you) feel, etc. "Gilmore is the classic "just cut taxes" Republican but demonstrated in office no grasp of what that means when governing."---I agree with you on this--I don't understand your point. I said nothing in this article critical of politically aware people voting for people in other parties. I've done it myself. I sought to be critical of "non-political" people who vote certain ways for reasons beyond politics....and the most egregious example of reading things I didn't say: "The results of the Virginia Senatorial election showed that a lot of Republicans voted across party lines. You can't call them all lemmings." Nor would I. I referred specifically to "mooring-less lemmings" to mean those who do not follow a party or politics, but who vote along emotional/social lines.

TDB said...

Conservative Wahoo - Enjoyed the posting very much. My wife and I were actually entranced early on by the eloquence of Mr. Obama's speech, then we started listening to the words... You know the rest.

Anonymous said...

It is interesting that (3) things happened under Clinton - NAFTA, deregulation of investment banks, and fair housing/credit act. While I am not arguing for or against NAFTA (or debating aspects of protectionism), I find it funny when people blame the Republicans for the consequences like chepaer labor overseas since they heard from a member of the (crazy liberal) press. I don't really trust any politicians or pressman but I can defend historical facts.

However, I don't think McCain would have been too effective because of the current party politics and crazy press liberals which is a shame since he is one of the most bi-partisan people in DC. He actually got things done in the Senate which should be an incredible shock when you look at all the other members of the Hill. Obama, however, is a child of pure (Chicago machine) party politics with confirmed ties to the mob and anti-government terrorists (and the occasional anti-American preacher). Lots of promises to save the stupid and still blaming the previous president. I see this as a complete lack of leadership for any role - manufacturing manager, ship's captain, president. A real failure out of the gate.

As for the stimulus bill, it is pork and does not create any jobs. It does preserve some jobs already associated with the areas of funding but they never would have been eliminated through any next budget bill. Would it not have been simpler to do some of the following things: create term government jobs of 3-4 million jobs, use the government loan system (FHA, VA, HUD, Freddie, FNMA) to issue 4% loans, send a $3000 check to tax payers, focus on 3-4 million illegal immigrants while 3-4 million US citizens are out of work (create DHS jobs in the same step).

Obama is already a failure as a leader and manager, being led around by Pelosi and other crazies. Obama tries to spin it as moving forward but it is a horrific step backwards. Obama speaks of bi-partisanship (as if he ever cast a vote as a senator) then blames the Republicans for the current economic situation. He is still trying to buy votes.

The author makes a good point on voting. It is funny how many times that I heard common themes - I am voting for Obama since he is good looking (real quote), I am voting for Obama because I don't like Bush (Democratic primary platforms), I am voting for Obama because he is going to pay off my mortgage (real quote), I am voting for Obama because he is going to make a change (campaign promise).

Well, hope in one hand and crap in the other then see which one fills up faster. Obama voters are the same folks who fell into voting for the huckster, sexual predator of Clinton. Yikes - are these the same people who invested in Beanie Babies?

I am conservative and middle of the road. I don't really like Coulter or Limbaugh so don't put me in that group. However, I can't find anyone in the press that knows the difference between journalism and liberalism. I can't believe how many folks let the press make decisions for them. Whatever happened to Dan Rather and his crazy liberal agenda? Oh yeah, he got caught in a lie.

TDP said...

I'm sorry Jack, it's just that every time I read a leftist rant on this site I jump to the end and see the initials JPH. I don't know you but I'm familiar with your world view.

If anything, Reagan should have discouraged rampant consumerism by doing away with credit card and auto loan tax deductions. But do you really think that Henrietta or Peggy (I won't have to worry about paying for gas...) could even tell you who Reagan was, much less be influenced by any of his policies?

Anonymous said...

TDP: you wrote - "I'm sorry Jack, it's just that every time I read a leftist rant on this site I jump to the end and see the initials JPH. I don't know you but I'm familiar with your world view." My name is Joe not Jack, so you don't even know my name but you know my world view -- nice to meet you. Rant? wow, I'll go back and review some of my posting, but I suspect your predisposed right bias (right of the attila the hun it sounds) warps your view of anything different than your own (myopic) view. The few views I've shared here: Reagan failed as a fiscal conservative - for that matter both parties do with the exception of the Gingrich - Clinton agreement; Petraeus is an outstanding general however not a savior; GEN Casey is unfairly maligned; Reagan pushed the country toward profligacy; LBJ changed the accounting rules and we are really going to pay for that change; I suppose on this sight I am fairly liberal but a leftist rant.... come on, are you serious?

If your desire and the author of this site would rather stick to a single point of view, jump on the band wagon and not debate and discuss facts and assumptions then I will not bother to post any more. I like to use this medium to learn, share experiences and grow by better understanding and appreciating other positions. However, your entries come off as emotional and attacking. Why don't you lay out an argument with empirical data and help everyone who logs in? JPM

TDP said...

So I got the name right on my first try?

Reagan's deficits were necessary to win the Cold War.

The Obama/Pelosi/Reid spending is to see if we can't get that good ol' socialist system back on track.