Ok CW, I could be wrong on immigration, so please share with us YOUR plan. Not Rubio's, not the Weekly Standard's and not David Brook's, but YOUR plan. In a perfect world if you could wave a magic wand and it would be so, how would CW deal with the problem? I don't know, maybe you don't think there is a problem, or the problem isn't as immediate as I've made out. Just tell us.
Take as much time as you like, just describe the problem as you see it and describe the solution in as much detail as possible. Don't be afraid to get specific. Maybe I'm out to lunch here and if I am, I want to know about it. Show me where I'm going wrong.
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My idea of "immigration reform" is pretty simple. I've posted on it numerous times over the past few years. Here's one such post: http://thevailspot.blogspot.com/2013/06/why-immigration-reform-bill-is-fraud.html
but the gist of it is this:
If Congress REALLY wanted to pass reall immigration reform it would look like this
*Require all municipal, county and state entities to enforce current laws on the books. Failure to do so would "trigger" loss of all federal funds to the entity that chooses not to do so.
* Punish employers for hiring illegal aliens. 1st offense, $5,000.00 fine per person hired. 2nd offense, $10,000.00 fine per person, loss of business license for 1 year. 3rd offense, $25,000.00 fine, 5 year loss of business license, 1 year jail time PER illegal alien employed. Enact reward system for reporting illegal aliens employed by American companies. Say, $1,000.00 per verified illegal alien. The money would come from the fines paid by guilty employers.
* Secure the southern border now. Immediately deport any and all people caught illegally crossing the border on 1st offense. 2nd offense, 1 year on a "chain-gang" cleaning/repairing roadways in the border states. 3rd offense, 2 years on the "chain-gang.
If Congress were to do this, within 3 years, there would be very few illegal aliens left in the US. After all, if there is no incentive to hire them, and they can't find jobs...they'll leave on their own accord.
hit publish...and it disappeared: but his is the meat of it:
"If Congress REALLY wanted to pass reall immigration reform it would look like this
* Require all municipal, county and state entities to enforce current laws on the books. Failure to do so would "trigger" loss of all federal funds to the entity that chooses not to do so.
* Punish employers for hiring illegal aliens. 1st offense, $5,000.00 fine per person hired. 2nd offense, $10,000.00 fine per person, loss of business license for 1 year. 3rd offense, $25,000.00 fine, 5 year loss of business license, 1 year jail time PER illegal alien employed. Enact reward system for reporting illegal aliens employed by American companies. Say, $1,000.00 per verified illegal alien. The money would come from the fines paid by guilty employers.
* Secure the southern border now. Immediately deport any and all people caught illegally crossing the border on 1st offense. 2nd offense, 1 year on a "chain-gang" cleaning/repairing roadways in the border states. 3rd offense, 2 years on the "chain-gang.
If Congress were to do this, within 3 years, there would be very few illegal aliens left in the US. After all, if there is no incentive to hire them, and they can't find jobs...they'll leave on their own accord. "
I've published the above multiple times across the net, but that quote comes from this post: http://thevailspot.blogspot.com/2013/06/why-immigration-reform-bill-is-fraud.html
If this is a double post, please delete your choice! Thanks...
1. As Rich says above, enforce EXISTING laws.
2. Build the fence. A tall, strong fence. No other initiatives until this is complete.
3. When the fence is completed, I would advocate for a ninety day period in which illegal aliens could come forward and register. At this point, they would no longer be illegal aliens, and they would not be citizens. They would be identified and issues tracking cards and federal ID numbers. Their continuing residence in the United States would be subject to periodic renewal based on a number of things including 1) behavior 2) employment status.
4. After this ninety day period was up, any remaining illegal aliens who had not come forward for processing (this may have to be six months, I don't know exactly how long it should be) would be deported to their countries of origin.
Call this amnesty if you will, but make sure you speak well of me when you say it. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING new happens until the wall is completed.
There you go, Hammer. Pretty straightforward.
Great! Not a lot of nuance but I think everybody here is on the same page. Now, what candidate do you think would, or probably more to the point, be ALLOWED to do any of this?
That gentlemen is Trump's appeal. He's rich, he can't be bought, and he wants to do all this and more. So until such time as one of these candidates convinces us this isn't the case any longer, buckle up, the ride will be a lot bumpier.
Hammer, I hear what you say about illegal immigration & agree w/ you. The problem is that you've hitched your wagon exclusively to Donald Trump.
I have 2 concerns w/ Donald Trump:
(1) How do YOU know that HE will actually DO what he SAYS he'll do IF he is elected?? I look at his other expressed positions & opinions over the years, and he comes across to me as someone who is just saying what he knows his audience wants to hear. I believe some of these positions/opinions go to a person's core principles, so how does one explain away such important reversals? And please don't use the "it was just business" excuse. Businessmen aren't (or at least shouldn't) be immune from acting on core principles.
(2) I can't get over the coziness w/ the Clintons. No one would dispute that Trump is using up all the oxygen that otherwise might go to one or more of the other candidates. I then look at the recently revealed phone call from Bill Clinton, urging Trump to run (against his own wife??!!). What if all this is DESIGNED to lay the groundwork for a 3rd party candidate, w/ the expressed purpose of torpedoing the Republicans (remember Ross Perot when Bill ran?) resulting in a Hillary win?
JB I would be very surprised indeed if Trump were the nominee. What I hope to get out of all this is a total capitulation by the lying, arrogant, self serving power elite! I am tired of their shit, and obviously I'm not alone.
As I've said repeatedly, either we get a candidate that SWEARS to get immigration sorted NOW or 40% of the conservative vote stays home.
"Religious and Tea Party economic conservatives were pushed aside in 2014. Mainstream Republicans ran over them; disrespected them. The establishment defeated the hard-liner conservatives in every significant primary battle. They were humiliated. Not again.
In 2016, hard-liner conservatives are going to push back with a vengeance. The Republican National Convention must elect a conservative who can appeal to moderates, not another moderate who can appeal to conservatives, or the hard-liners will bolt and back an independent candidate."
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